Collaborating & Co-Designing The Future of Healthcare, Julie Rish, Ph.D.

"The future of patient experience relies on meaningful strategic (maybe) relationships with each other. Where we're talking together, and where we’re coming together to solve these problems, Julie Rish, Ph.D.". 


Julie Rish, PhD is a Clinical Psychologist, Director of Design and Best Practice in the Office of Patient Experience at the Cleveland Clinic. Dr. Rish is also the Director of Communication Skills Training and an Assistant Professor of Medicine at the Cleveland Clinic.

 

Julie Rish, Ph.D., MA, Role at The Cleveland Clinic

I have spent most of my professional career helping people with health behavior change. That blends nicely to the work that I do in patient experience because it is about how do we change and adapt our behaviors to best support our mission and cause in the organization and come together. As the director of communication skills training for a medical school, I'm active in teaching our students what communication with patients and each other could look like and potentially should look like in bringing in that next generation to health care.

Most of my life is in patient experience, in really leading efforts in one; how do we partner with patients, their family and their support persons to really improve care and to reimagine what that partnership looks like, so that we can be very strategic to maximize the full potential of partnership and to manage the complexities of health care together as a community.

The other part of my life is complimentary as applying plain design thinking to our work. So, in a variety of settings having really great collaborations across the Cleveland Clinic. Questioning, how do we do that in a way that brings together all the stakeholders to design something better for patients and for our people.

Discussing Patient Experience & Humanism in Medicine

I think medicine is inherently human. The art of medicine without relationships---We're not just technicians. Similarly, providing excellent patient experience is about meeting people in a very relational human way. I think that you can't disconnect those two things. Optimal healing can’t occur without the humanity of medicine and true understanding of another person sitting in front of you, without being able to empathize with your experience.

Relationships are healing in and of themselves. When we're connecting as people it's healing to me as a clinician but it's also healing to the person that's sitting in front of me. We have to think about going above and beyond what we can do medically for someone.

Achieving excellence in Patient Experience at the Cleveland Clinic

What we've done so beautifully is really put some stake in that, that we are going to care about our patients, we’re going to care about our people and we're going to invest a lot of energy in both. Trying to understand one another, trying to appreciate each other's perspective, see things through different lenses and design it together. That's a beautiful model that will help us improve as a system but also help us improve and transform health care.

Barriers to achieving humanism in medicine

There’s a lot of barriers to being human in medicine we know about widely publicized, burnout in clinicians. The detrimental effect that has on them individually but also on patient care. It's double edged and it's complex to solve. Also, add the burden of documentation. Providers spending more time in documentation than they are in front of the patient. Trying to find meaning and purpose in their work and the complexity of trying to solve that. The knowledge and the explosion of that is another barrier in some ways. Trying to stay current when they're so much information is hard. How many hours a day can one possibly invest, then how are they finding balance in their life and spending time outside of the walls of the system that you work?

There’s a lot of barriers that equal time and task pressure. How can I be present in this moment and not thinking, three steps ahead or three steps behind but just to be present in the moment? When you do that you can find meaning and purpose in your work. The barrier is how do we overcome those obstacles to create moments of presence? Being mindful and truly connecting a human level. In doing so, that's where we can find restoration and purpose and get back to why you chose this profession, this career, this entity in the first place. That’s our greatest opportunity right now is to try to navigate those barriers in a way that is optimizing the human connection.

The importance of Humanism in medicine

The importance of clear. I talked about that relationships are healing and that it's hard to create a relationship without being present and authentically yourself. Therefore, if you're struggling with burnout and it's easy to depersonalize a situation and it creates some distance between you and the person sitting in front of you, it's also hard to create the meaningful moments. That equal satisfaction with your career, with your experience in that moment and with the quality of care.

Trending towards a barrier free healthcare delivery system

Navigating the system in a way that we are creating that is our greatest imperative. We have to think bigger than clinicians. We absolutely have to continue to invest in our people, that's clinicians but I think that's other members of her our clinical teams and our staff in a health care system that we see burnout in many different places.

Being thoughtful about what we’re and how we're investing in our people was really important. Thinking bigger than just the people, that its systemic and if we're asking people to spend half of their day in documentation and in the evenings and all hours of the night then how can we possibly expect them to overcome these barriers.

Thinking systemically, what does healthcare need to do to better support our clinicians. The burden of documentation, policy and the pressures that we're placing on top of them. While also thinking, how do we change the top down but also how do we support from the bottom up. In addition, equipping people with the skills to communicate effectively to connect to meaning and purpose in their clinical encounters. In some ways that's by just teaching someone how to listen and to empathize with someone’s experience and perspective and connect to that as a human.

Again, I would transcend more than just our clinicians. I think it is our nurses, it's the other people that are touching our patients. From the person that checks you in, to the person that you speak to on the phone when you're trying to navigate and make an appointment, to the information that you get when you leave the hospital. There's so many different touch points that we have to connect to.

Technology & healthcare

These types of solutions have to be co-designed. Oftentimes it feels like we are pushing solutions out and those solutions need to be brought together from the people most intimately affected. So our patients, our people, our clinical staff, our non-clinical staff. Those people need to come together to define what that solution looks like and what the need is.

Oftentimes, I feel like we're just creating solutions or “hey great lets give you some communication training”, but is that the training that you need is that what's going to solve the problem and is this actually the problem to solve or the opportunity to innovate around. I think if we are not talking to those people most intimately affected at the beginning and throughout, I'm not certain that our solutions are going to work and that we're actually going to be transformational.

Patient Experience In Its Current State & Future Outlook

In the future our patient experience relies on meaningful partnerships and collaborations. Intimately integrating our patients, their family and support persons into our work and having them help us co-design care, from the beginning and from all phases and all levels of the organization. If we're not doing that then we run the risk that we're not actually providing the care, the needs, the solutions that are patients really need.

Bringing them in and sharing that space with them in true partnership, not in a focus group setting. The true partnership where we are identifying the problems to working alongside, to creating solutions together and testing them out. The patient experience relies on our willingness and openness to do that together. The future of patient experience relies on meaningful strategic (maybe) relationships with each other. Where we're talking together, and where we’re coming together to solve these problems.

Meaningful Integration Of Technology

I would suggest that technology needs to be seamless, in that it affects both of our patients and our clinicians. It needs to solve for the tremendous burden of documentation and the non face to face time that our clinicians are struggling with. It needs to facilitate making health care more simple for patients.

If you think about we what exists right now there are thousands of apps and thousands of different platforms that someone could go to. How do you know what's the right app to download or how to even find the right one the problem that you're trying to solve. We in health care need to streamline those applications in a way that's meaningful to our patients. That's going to help them navigate the system and connect them in seamless ways.

I would say the same for our clinicians. Technology needs to create the moments of connection. The human moments and take the burden out of some of the non-human moments for clinicians. It needs to solve for both ends of that spectrum to simplify the experience of health care. Otherwise, you need an app to navigate the apps.

The most important thing is being willing to be vulnerable, humble and to learn from each other. To be thoughtful about how we partner with the people around us, how we learn from each other, etc. All of that takes deep understanding, empathy and really trying to appreciate someone else's experience and perspective.

If we’re not doing that we're not really solving at that intersect, that’s really where we need to be. What are the solutions that make the most sense for the most people, at the right time? To me that's transformational! So, we could setup really great population health efforts, but if it's not the practice, the services or the values of the community that it serves, then what have we done.

I think really being thoughtful to first understand the people that are out there. Really empathizing with that, then solve those problems together and create those opportunities together. That’s what's exciting about health care is the great potential of what you can do together and in a collaboration. I’m excited to be a part of that!


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Ashley Elliott, The Road to Sobriety; A Call for Resources in Rural Communities to Combat Drug Usage, Stigma & Addiction.

"The more we talk the more we bring it out and the more we bring it up, I think the quicker we can get past the stigma. Get past the negativity of addiction and see it simply as what it is and that's a disease" Ashley Elliot.

 


Ashley’s Health Journey Through Addiction

My story more often than not, coincides with addiction. I am a recovering heroin addict. I've been clean since December 28th 2012 and since I've gotten clean I decided to take a path to help others whenever they're struggling. I know for me when I felt hopeless if it wasn't for the women in my life that had lifted me up I don't think I would have made it .

My goal is to help those find hope that think there's no hope. In my darkest days I would say I probably had no idea what was going on at any given time. I went from being an all honor student in my freshman and sophomore years of high school-- straight A's to slowly decreasing my workload. I was a merit student my junior year and by the time was a senior I was a general student. Luckily enough I still graduated with merit a diploma.

That was the start of the dark days that really just kind of involved drinking along with experimenting with a few different substances, nothing too extreme. By the time I had graduated high school I would consider myself pretty deep into my addiction not rock bottom but still pretty deep. What would happen over the next twelve years would be me finding my own, falling in love.

I always made the joke that heroin was my first love, it never failed me, it never let me down. Every time I wanted to do something it changed the way I felt, it did just that. After that point it was really weird. I went from using to needing and I don't remember it. I don't remember when I went from recreational use to addiction, to dependency.

I would go through several different treatment centers, methadone centers. I tried suboxone. I tried moving to California. I thought if I just packed my bags, leave and go somewhere else where nobody knew me I could just start over and be whoever I wanted to be. The problem with that is wherever you go there you are you know. At that time I didn't realize the problem was me. I thought it was the drugs. I was in two very abusive relationships. The first one was we were living in Nevada and he ended up head-butting me and breaking my nose in the front lawn of our home. Shortly after that I had ended up running into an old friend out in California. She saw me and I think I’d probably been about 140lbs at the time. My collar bones were sticking out, I was rather frail. She bought me a plane ticket and three days later I came home.

When I came home I just got involved with the same people. When I did that, that’s is when the legal stuff started happening. The first time I ever got I trouble I had actually lived right up the street. The apartment that I was living in got raided and that was the first time I had been arrested. After that point it was just one after another getting arrested. Eventually I tried to do it on my own. Got involved with another boyfriend who was rather abusive. Fast forward my first treatment center I decided to leave AA, which is against medical advice. My thought process was; I was going to leave, come home, use go to court and go to jail

I was okay with that. I thought that was a solid plan to me. That's how crazy the disease of addiction is. I did that, I left, I came home, I used, went to court and the judge said “Punish her to rehab”, which was not a part of my plan. Over the next two months I had to wait 30 days because I left AA. I had to wait another 30 days for a bed to open up. Within those two months the apartment I was living in had burned down. Under the Influence I had fallen asleep on my hand for an extended period of time which caused something called Saturday Night Palsy.

It’s where an addict or an alcoholic passes out on the extremity and does nerve damage. I had no use of my hand for over three months. I was an I.V. user and there was a point in time where a needle had broken off into my arm and I left it there for six years until I had gotten clean and got a straight head on and I had surgery to have that removed. My kidney functions are extremely low. The way they explained it to me is that my kidney function is that of a 70 year old. I think that's due to all of the different opioids and the wear and tear on the body.

Emotional Health and Addiction

A big part of the health effects is the emotional state that people wanders in while being in addiction---I'm a very outgoing person and I can talk to just about anyone, anywhere about anything. When I was using, I was afraid to leave my house. I'd lived less than two or three hundred yards from a grocery store and it took everything inside of me to get up, get myself dressed to go to the grocery store just because my anxiety levels were so high. A lot of people use to try and escape their feelings of depression or anxiety.

In reality the only thing it does is increase this. I was going through panic attacks, and a lot of the different medications. I was having on medication induced seizures. I just think of it I felt like my body just couldn't go anymore. My sister pointed it out the most. The way that my family always knew I was using, was how much I weighed because I would get her periods of extreme weight loss while using and then gaining that back while attempting to get clean. The health effects I had have lasting effects, psychologically, physically, and emotionally. It takes a long time to heal all that stuff, to accept it, deal with it and move forward with it.

Finding a Support System in a Sponsor

I do honestly say that without my sponsorship family I don't think I would still be clean today. When I went into treatment the first thing I told my counselor was “I'm going to tell you I want to go home, not to let me go home. Don’t let me go home”. But she didn’t, she relocated me to a halfway house down in Frederick Maryland. While you're in treatment it's basically almost like a brainwash. I’ll say if I needed to be brainwashed to get away from whatever I was doing before I was totally okay with it. I really got involved in a twelve step program. It took me about six months after I was really involved in the program to be clean.

The reason that is like I said look for my clean is December 28, 2012. This was the first year I was down in Frederick, I was my first Christmas. I remember I was getting ready to come home and my sponsor and I had come up with this plan where I stay at my sister's, she's my safe zone. No contact with old friends or ex’s. I didn't do anything she suggested. When I went home I think the first thing I did was contact my ex. he brought my dog over. My sister's kids were so I ended up staying at my parents which I ended up using, so I'd used all over Christmas. It was December 27th, my best friend and my sponsorship family called me to wish me a Merry Christmas. I thought what we had was just a normal conversation. When I got off the phone probably less than five minutes later my sponsor called me and trying to walk me through my thought process.

I had my dog which meant I saw my ex, I was at my parents which is not a good place for me. She was trying to get me to realize all the decisions I was making weren’t necessarily the best ones. The last thing she said to me was---she worked the night shift as a security guard at a prison and she said “I don't have to work tonight. I don't know if you want to white knuckle your way through this situation, but if you don't I'll come and get you”. I was kind of just like “Okay you know I'll think about it. I'll call you back”.

When I hung up the phone it was at that moment that I realize that these people that I barely knew six months really wanted nothing but the best for me. I think that was my reality check. I ended up calling her back and I said “Come get me”. My sponsor and my best friend drove three and a half hours from Frederick up to Garrett County in the middle of a snow storm to pick me up and take me back home. That’s why I consider the 28th my clean date because I haven’t used since. I don’t drink, I pretty much don’t do anything.

Trials During Recovery

Throughout my early recovery and my first year or two I remember a period where it was around my first year clean and they say in the twelve step program that at your anniversaries you start going crazy. That's what I was experiencing. It was around my first year I had no idea why but I just wanted to mess things up. You know I knew I couldn't quit my job because I needed my job. I liked my friends so I didn't want to screw anything up with them.

I just couldn't come up with anything to ruin, but that's all I was thinking about because I was an addict. A lot of times my first thought is self-destruction especially when I can’t deal with feelings whether they be good or bad. I remember texting both my sponsor and my best friend and telling them that everything I was doing was reminding me of using.

My best friend sent me this long message of all of the things she knew about me through my active addiction, including you know the abusive ex's and going to jail and all that stuff. Then she sent me another message of everything that we had done in recovery and now. I'm saying your first year of recovery I lived more than I did in those twelve years of using even though I went all over the place, California, Nevada etc.. I still didn't really experience anything because I was never present in the movement. When she sent that to me she followed it up with “Think about those two and then tell me if you still want to use”. I was living with my sponsor at the time, I’d gotten home and she told me to get dressed and I didn't know why, she didn't tell me. She just tell me to get dressed.

I got dressed and my grand sponsor, which was her sponsor showed up and they took me to a baseball game and made me sit there. I sat at this baseball game and I cried. I cried and I cried and I cried and my grand sponsor's theory was always “When you don't know what to do you sit on your hands”. That's what I did. I just had to sit through it and here I am at the Frederick baseball game, everyone’s having a heyday and I'm bawling because honestly I don't know why.

Situations like that, like if they weren't there for me in those moments, if I were to allow my own thought process to continue I eventually would have came up with the idea of the best solution right now is to go use. I strongly agree that a social support, an emotional support, it is a key component of recovery, you cant do it alone. It’s a lot easier when you have people who understand what you've been through.

Sobriety & Stigma from the Medical Setting to Society.

I know for me sometimes it's tough with my health issue trying to talk to a doctor and being taken seriously. I'm a recovering addict and once they hear that, the word human being goes out the window. It's definitely tough and sometimes you've got to have thick skin because there are some pretty mean people that have a very closed mind and aren't very understanding. I kind of just smile and nod at those people. It’s been six years since I entered my first treatment center and in two days I'll graduate from college. That's crazy to me to think back to where I was.

Sharing Story to Impact Change

I remember when I went to MedX to speak on a panel session. Standing outside and seeing the big sign that said Stanford University and I just thought to myself “How did I get here?” I didn't understand it was so weird. I do attribute it a lot of this to Regina Holliday. If Regina hadn't brought me to Cinderblocks, if she wouldn't have asked me to share my story, all of these other people wouldn’t have heard it and I wouldn’t have had the opportunities that I've had over the past year. I remember when I told my family what was wrong with me, what was wrong with me being addicted to drugs at that time.

It was suggested to me by my counselor at the treatment center that I was at. I was an outpatient methadone treatment center. I gather my family together granted my family is well known in the community. My brother in the department of juvenile justice for 20 years. He’s the Cub Scout leader. Everybody knows my brother, both my sisters, one’s a teacher an elementary school teacher and the other one is a guidance counselor secretary. You could definitely say I was the black sheep of the family and I remember when I told them they didn't understand because they didn't know and they didn't know anything about it.

Public Health, Education & Addiction

If people were more educated about addiction, what causes it. The interactions, the pharmacology between the different substances. How they affect the brain. Just stepping outside of their shoes and trying to look at it from a different perspective I think that would have a huge impact on things. A lot of people feel shame and guilt because of their addiction and are embarrassed to talk about it. One of the doctors on the panel at MedX said it best, for years addicts have been lepers. That's what we are once you have that label there's no turning back. Again, when people don't have that in mind, the empathy or compassion to understand, they don't get it.

It’s a fruitless battle. I definitely feel that education, knowledge, understanding simple human being decency is needed. Nobody deserves to die no matter what they choose to do or chose to do it, I hear that a lot. “They chose to use so they deserve to die”. I can speak from experience that there were many times I used against my own will. I did want to be doing what I was doing but I knew physically I couldn’t go on without it because I was dependent on it. In our twelve step program we say “Drugs aren't the issue. Drugs are side effects of addiction”. Our real problem is the way that we think and the way that we feel and not being able to cope with those things. It's exhausting and it's long it does take a lot of motivation. I would say self-will but that's really nothing at all one has to deal with.

A Call for Resources in Rural Communities.

Whenever I was using in this small town I had no idea about resources because it wasn't something people talked about. I remember going to treatment and going to my first twelve step program and they're like “You’ve never been to a meeting before?” and I had no idea what a meeting was. I didn't have the resources here. The more we talk the more we bring it out and the more we bring it up, I think the quicker we can get past the stigma.

Get past the negativity of addiction and see it simply as what it is and that's a disease. Much like a diabetic who takes their insulin every day, an addict get a daily reprieve by simply choosing not to use and more often than not when the addict that chooses not to use is a miracle. Because everything in my being says use, use, use and every day that I choose not to do that is a miracle and nothing short of that.


Ashley Elliott is a recovering addict, patient advocate, psychology major, guest speaker at Medicine X and repeated speaker at Regina Holliday’s Cinderblocks5

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